Problems in the Manosphere

The Emerging Problem

It deeply pains me to admit this, but the “manosphere” and some who have taken “The Red Pill”  (TRP) have allowed their pain and anger to distract them from self-improvement and to mistakenly and irresponsibly blame women for their pain.

In fact, it has become home to some men who might actually hate women – in particular the “Men Going Their Own Way”  (MGTOW) portion of it who I actually deeply sympathize with.  (Disclosure: I’m not a feminist.)

The thing is, most men aren’t meant to be bachelors.  Despite what most MGTOWs will tell you, men and women need each other.  We were designed to be together. It’s good and its healthy, regardless of how much modern day feminism has poisoned the waters between the two genders.

Yes, there actually are some misogynists who are TRP – some of these MGTOWs.  Like any ideology that has come about as a backlash because of the insanity that 3rd wave feminism has become, it has members who have become just as hate-filled as the feminist movement it despises.    Aaron Clarey a.k.a Captain Capitalism has made a video saying some things that really needed to be said about this emerging problem.  There may be some backlash, but the truth and objective critiques meant to help others hurt.


Even though I’m only about 6 months in TRP, I understand that the whole point of the TRP is to acknowledge one’s own personal responsibility, rather then defer it to the opposite sex with excuses like, “All Women Are Like That” (AWALT) when rejection occurs – particularly approach rejection and rejection from women overall.   (I will admit,  I don’t experience approach rejection all that often.)

MGTOW is supposedly specifically about improving yourself, becoming self-disciplined, and becoming someone that not only women want to be around, but other men as well by not putting “pussy” on a pedestal – you know what white knights and manginas actually do.   Instead, it more and more is becoming a circle-jerk where we talk about how much they hate how  “terrible” women are.

Newsflash:  Only just over 15% of women identify as feminists, and most of those aren’t the radicals who we hear the most about online.

Some of these MGTOWs, as Clarey points out, haven’t been successful with women because they aren’t willing to put in the effort which is shocking considering I know some older ugly fat dudes who still get laid.   What is the entire point of TRP and of the MGTOWs with in it? Simple.  Take personal responsibility for yourself instead of blaming others – that includes women. This is makes TRP like a beacon of light in the midst of darkness because we live in a culture where EVERYTHING is someone else’s fault. Yes, many women have been unfortunately influenced by modern day feminism and it has helped to warp their attitudes toward men.

Now some of us Red Pillers have even developed our own kinds of shaming languages which we then sling at anyone who is willing to impartially observe on the sidelines. We then continue to blame women, and when we experience rejection, we spew a bunch of vitriol about “AWALT” and the like.

The Manosphere, and the The Red Pill in general is about improving yourself and embracing reality, not blaming women for every problem under the sun.  Women aren’t the enemy.   They are our mothers, our sisters, our wives, and our daughters.  Regardless of what is said, men and women will always need each other.  It’s a fact of history and of life.

Say anything remotely good about women and you are some sort of mangina white knighting feminist.  If we keep abusing these words like feminists have done with words like misogyny and rape, soon they won’t mean anything.

This is shocking to think, but some men – myself included- really like women. I dare say it’s because of our biology! Hell, some of us actually like the “traditional” idea of finding a girl, getting married, and growing into old age together and being happy doing it.   I grow tired of seeing people in TRP community whose pain I can identify with throw these blanket assumptions of absolute fact upon all women.

Growing Pains


Someone needed to say this in the manosphere and it hasn’t been just Clarey.  About two weeks ago “Blair Naso” at the so affectionately labeled “misogyny central” site Return Of Kings  wrote a brilliant piece, Most Men Do Not Deserve A Marriageable Woman pointing out this exact problem and blame game we have allowed ourselves to get suckered into.  He points out in the article  (1) how we have allowed ourselves to blame everyone else – women in particular for our problems – when it comes to having “bad” experiences with them and finding them and (2) how we have developed a sense of entitlement because we exist.  When I use the word “entitlement”, I’m not using it in the awful feminist sense where approaching a girl lands you that label, but in an honest objective compassionate sense.

And of course you can claim that all women today are whores, but that is not true either. There are many women who still have a sense of dignity and only give away their sex selectively, since that is what women naturally want to do. True, there are not many virgins outside of the freshmen at Christian colleges in the southern states, but that does not mean that every woman allows herself to be the town bicycle.

While marriage is often a risky proposition for men in our time because of no-fault divorce laws, let’s at least attempt to be honest.; not every women wants to screw you over, divorce you in the future, take your kids, make you pay child support and alimony, and force you to live in a depreciating existence in a terrible apartment for the rest of your life.  Yes, it has happened, but this is the result of settling down with the wrong women – something TRP should help one avoid.

Neither are all women – or dare I say all feminists – deliberate and fully aware irrational feminazis.   Instead of complaining about only slutty women are, stop going to those places as Blair points out.

Maybe the reason you think every single Western girl is a tramp is because you keep searching for girls on ladies night in bars. Go volunteer for a boring non-profit that makes for a bad photo shoot, and you will be more likely to find the wife you are looking for.

A shocking idea. Perhaps –  just perhaps – more traditionally minded girls who do want to settle down will employ their time with worthy causes.   One element of TRP that somewhat bothers me is the constant encouraging of men to sleep with “sluts” as they ride the carousel till they hit the “wall” in their later 30s.  Why do we encourage this kind of behavior – or better yet enthusiastically and opportunistically make use of it – while deriding these so called sluts? It’s almost as if we want women to be “slutty” so that  we can excuse, dismiss, and insist that there is an apparent lack of worthy and honorable women to commit to so that we can pretend that said slutty women are our only alternative and is the “reality” of the situation.

You rant about how lustful women are, but how much better are you yourself? All you care about is increasing your notch count no matter what the consequences. You sleep with fat girls, you sleep with career-obsessed women, you sleep with androgynous women, and then you wonder why there are so many of them around.

Blair goes on to make an important point that even feminists don’t like:

Contrary to popular myth, feminism did not invent the slut. Men even have always had a way to get their rocks off before settling down. For example, the samba in Brazil provided a context to meet easy women long before the 1960s.

These “marriageable” women might be rejecting us for more worthy prospects because we have been settling for the “sluts” and their parents have been smart enough to teach them that you don’t want a man whose life revolves around the idea of “non-commitment” and “pumping-and-dumping”.

We can lament about all the problems of the modern day dating market, but it doesn’t change the fact that if we don’t put some effort into our appearance, game, and overall life,  we can’t demand girls pay attention to us vs the better men out there.

There is a time and a place for it, but if we want to remain in said time and place our entire lives, can we really moan, groan, and rage that we aren’t attracting said marriageable women?  Self-Improvement takes time, effort, and discipline.

Furthermore, do you have any real marketable skills? You say you want a stay-at-home wife, but what have you accomplished to provide that? Laziness is also a sin in most world religions, so instead of living in an apartment with your Call of Duty buddies “because the economy is just that bad,” spend a year in vocational school and learn a trade.

Well that stings. I’ll be honest. I don’t really have many worthy skills.  I’m often lazy and I waste my time.  At this time, I’m content to live on very little and to enjoying the small cheap parts of life.  This however isn’t necessarily going to attract women who are looking for a “provider” of sorts.

While it’s hard to become a stable provider these days, one can still be responsible with their time and devote as much as possible of it to self-improvement and obtaining marketable job skills.  (I’m really trying to limit my video game time.)  I’m lucky I’m attractive, because it isn’t the money or the fame that has helped me get laid.

Making The Best Of Our Situation

In TRP and among most MGTOW, we acknowledged that there is certainly a phrase of anger about the realities of today’s dating situation, the destruction of families, and the hardships of divorced men who have been taken to the cleaners by their now Ex-wives.  We can understand why they don’t trust women. Even those of us who haven’t been married have experienced rejection of some kind.   That phrase isn’t suppose to last your entire life.

Pain can’t be used as an excuse to let ourselves become angry and distant.   Let’s not lie to ourselves; we also can become “spinsters” in our old age that no one wants to be with. Pain is a part of life, but wallowing it in it, refusing to make an effort to escape it, and blaming everyone else for it is what third-wave feminists do.  That is something we can’t allow ourselves to become if we wish to actually enjoy life.  Don’t become like them.

Everyday, I see a lot of people in pain. I’ve met men who have been divorced or lost loved ones and I can see it in their eyes.  I can also see these people making excuses for avoiding any real effort to take steps to become happy.  I understand their reasons, and while valid, it doesn’t make their situation any better or cause them to feel any better.

If I am truly a compassionate person, I won’t simply nod my head and avoid any real attempt to aid them in escaping their depression and pain. At some point, you must make that initial attempt to get out of it.  As Mike at Danger & Play puts it, “It doesn’t matter how you start. All that matters is that you start.”  In circumstances like this where the pain is very real, his motto, “Fuck it, I’m going in,” is an important mindset to adopt.

So when I see the main vehicle of “coping” with life’s problems becoming a “fuck women” fest,  I’ll point out that this permanent like state-of-anger and rage does nothing to improve ours and their plight with women. I and others must point this out, because we actually care about our fellow men. Don’t let this “criticism” become mistakenly dismissed because we are not vicious feminists with cyber-lynch mobs wielding axes to attack the already downtrodden with.   We actually do care.


Should “Jackie” from the Rolling Stone article be doxxed?

Another day on twitter and there are some who .  Apparently Roosh  who runs the “infamous” Return Of Kings has information that exposes “Jackies” real identity from Rolling Stones infamous article on the UVA “gang rape” and is pondering on whether to publish it or not. This is a turning point for him.  I don’t know if Roosh considers himself to be a journalist, but I do consider him to be such to an extent.

Will he lower himself to the SJW tactic of doxxing people?  Doxxing has been the realm of those on 4chan – well now 8chan- Reddit, ect.  However even mainstream publications like The New York Times have participated in doxxing – most recently publishing Darren Wilson’s address – the officer in Ferguson who shot Michael Brown – via showing an image of his marriage certificate.

While the address was already floating around on the internet, it sets a new precedent when a respectable publication like the NYT is willing to publish private details such as that.  Also note that the NYT still has one of the largest audiences of any one publication – both digital and in print.

When it comes to the disclosure of the private details of someone’s life, the question that must be asked is, “How necessary and pertinent is it to the story”?  In this case I would suggest that it’s not at all pertinent to the story.  She may deserve to be doxxed, considering what she’s done to “Barry One”, but at what point should we lower ourselves to the standards of people like that?

The moral high ground is often useless nowadays, but Mike Cernovich is right in that whoever claims the moral high ground can easily be destroyed by it as so many SJW’s have been when details about them leak out that aren’t so “moral.”

Basic Primer: How To Deal With Vitriol From Social Justice Warriors

In every comment section you can be thoroughly entertained Gladiator style. I often scroll through comments to get an idea of reader’s reactions to some of the magical pieces of brilliant journalism that are displayed at sites  … TRIGGER WARNING!!!!!

Nah, I’m joking… at sites such as Jezebel, Gawker, Kotaku, ect.   Fortunately there are some sites that present the other side of the issue – specifically on #Gamergate – such as The Ralph Retort.  To be fair, I find the comments agreeable because of my bias on the subject of #Gamergate.

Context To The Primer

Credit to ArsenicSundae for a comment that presents a very important basic primer on how to respond to Social Justice Warriors. Note that “apologizing” isn’t in there. In fact, NEVER do that.  Don’t back down.

When they come after you, tell ’em to fuck themselves, because all they need is for you to engage them on their terms, which gives them an opening they can exploit.

When you’re willing to “discuss” something with them, it lends credence to their accusations and the next thing you know, you’re owning that shit.

This is an extremely important point because if you respond and try to defend yourself from  the common accusations that you are a sexist, misogynist, racist, ect you have already essentially admitted assumed guilt.  Your response validates their accusations – no matter how false and full of shit said accusations are.

Thousands of tweets later you have now become guilty.  Take Bill Frezza’s article on Forbes, “Drunk Female Guests Are The Gravest Threat To Fraternities.” which was eventually axed thanks to the tolerance views of SJWs on differing viewpoints.  He made the mistake of apologizing on his blog validating the claims of the lynch mob.

What lesson can we learn here? You don’t attempt rational discourse with people who have no interest in it.  They simply would rather attempt to vilify you with labels in the court of public opinion then have an open and honest dialogue with you.  Don’t waste your time by giving them time and most specifically ATTENTION.

The proper response to SJW’s involves dismissing their claims outright and immediately. Eventually labels like misogynist, racist, sexist, ect won’t mean anything because will rightfully not take them seriously after seeing that others aren’t taking them seriously either.

Primer 101:  SJW Accusations & Responses

Familiarize yourself with the usual responses – most notably that of the recent Matt Taylor whose “sexist” shirt trumped his accomplishment of helping to land a machine on a moving comet.   He went even went one step further and cried in his apology.

Yea, it still hurts me to think about that.  Remember bullying is bad, unless you are bullying a grown man into crying over his shirt choice.   What should Taylor have done? Observe the following:

Examples of poor responses to SJW harassment:

“That’s not what I meant.”
“Let me explain.”
“You’re twisting my words.”
“I apologize.”

We are all used to these. Now for the retorts?

Examples of good responses to SJW harassment:

“Fuck you.”
“Go fuck yourself.”
“Get fucked, you syphilitic little prick.”
“To anyone offended by my words or actions, I’m deeply … naw, fuck it … you can all kiss my ass. Thank you.”

Yea, these responses look extreme. But you have to take extreme actions – specifically in concern to your responses when you are dealing with potential extreme SJW’s mobs.  Your livelihood may actually depend on it in it.

New Logic: Why Skinny Shaming Isn’t Reverse Discrimination

Skinny Shaming Isn’t As Harmful as Fat Shaming Because Equality. 

Confused? Me too. Another day in the femsphere and another confounded look on my face.  If you are skinny, prepare to enjoy yet another slap upon the usual skinny slaps for daring to take care of your body.  I have a skinny but fit body, so I’m already checking my privilege as I take my lumps.

I stumbled upon this article on my newsfeed and since I don’t completely immerse myself just in my own preferred bubble of thoughts, I made sure to read though it.  Of course, it confirms my pessimism even more in our “Western” society.  Here are some choice quotes:

“You can’t oppress the people who have social power. That’s not how it works.”

This “logic” astounds me. Really?  If 40 Christians in Syria beat the ever-loving shit out of an Arab Muslim on the street it would still be oppression.

And sometimes, justice looks unfair.

If it looks unfair, it’s probably not justice.

Sometimes it looks like people are getting special treatment. But because they wouldn’t need that special treatment if equality existed, what it really is, is a leveling out of the playing field.

This is the same kind of logic with affirmative action and racial quotas. You need to use discriminatory methods to fight previous discrimination and rectify it’s effects – except it never seems to work and exacerbates the already polar racial climate that exists in the U.S.  The playing field will NEVER be leveled out if you keep un-leveling parts of it to level the other parts.

Oppression is oppression. It doesn’t change regardless of who engage is it. There are no free passes.  Discrimination is Discrimination.  You can’t simply jump through special hoops to make it okay when you do it, but not when others do.

Atheism, Self-Hedonism, and Shintoism help us.

Is Chris Kluwe bullying people through lawsuits?

One way to shut someone up is to either scare them with the threat of a lawsuit or just actually sue them. It appears Chris Kluwe understands this, but this time he isn’t picking on his former NFL team, but rather on a mansophere entrepreneur and lawyer, Mike Cernovich, from Danger & Play with the “defamation” card this time.

Beware. He has millions to make sure you are reduced to pennies.

While usually these tactics are employed by angry businesses and corporations on yelp against anonymous users for negative reviews, you can apparently go after people for their tweets on twitter as well.  This is probably just one more reason why you might want to consider anonymity on most social networks.

For the common man and the poor this usually spells doom – all kinds of impending doom. Even if you win or successfully defend yourself in court, your finances are going to be in trouble. It’s like going through a divorce where you lose all of your “stuff” no matter if your wife takes the house or not, because she’s also taking your beer fridge.

Take note of this tactic however.  Mike Cernovich has a legal background which means he won’t need to hire lawyers to defend him, but his valuable time will still be wasted. The rest of us however can’t afford lawyers. Be VERY careful as to exactly what you say about certain people. Check all your bases and make sure you can’t be accused of libel, slander, and defamation.

Anything can be subjectively interpreted as harassment a.k.a. “defamation” so bullies like Chris Kluwe need to be called out for actions like this.  Hold him accountable for this kind of financial oppression and censorship as it could happen to any of us who don’t have Kluwe’s millions to fight a legal battle. Stay strong Mike.


Get Over Yourself Because We Already Have.

My favorite Asian badass, Opinionated Man from Harsh Reality, strikes again in a recent post today involving one of the biggest problems that plagues mankind; those who dare to disagree on the internet. In the words of a modern day Asian wiseman, “Get Over Yourself.

One of my favorite responses I often see on message boards, forums, my own facebook, ect. are responses and posts to my own such as:

  • “I can’t believe you said that!”
  • “Tell me you don’t think this!”
  • “How dare you be this ignorant!
  • “You can’t say that!”

Newsflash. I said that, I’m not sorry, and I’ll say it again. Fine, we disagree. I honestly thought it would never happen.  Let’s leave it like that right? Wrong.  The hounds start to bark, the crows start to circle, and the night starts to darken.  Demands for your head, your job, your blog, and your imminent seclusion from internet and blogging life.


A growing number of narcissistic individuals on the internet – I’m shocked – seem to think that they not only should own and control their own havens of internet brilliant dialogue, but that yours should be included in their Iron Curtain like grip.

Do you not concur with the popular group-think on your blog and even Facebook? Then bow down, present your ass for punishment,  and plead for mercy and forgiveness for having alternative thoughts.   These kinds of folks won’t even stop eating their own, so they won’t care if they eat you.  This is why you must ignore them like they aren’t there and never back down.

This was just a slight offense and an apology and clarification weren't enough.
This was just a slight offense and an apology and clarification weren’t enough.

It’s not enough to even delete a post, a tweet, ect these days. You actually need to dress in digital sackcloth and ashes as you admit your sins to an obvious disproving public.   This shit needs to stop and it STOPS with me, you, and all of us with balls.  That includes you ladies.

Let’s engage in a reality check. This isn’t your facebook. It isn’t your blog. You don’t control my blog. You don’t control Opinionated Man‘s blog. This isn’t Reddit. I know that particular mobs of people who can’t handle disagreement or alternative POVs want to downvote your thoughts into oblivion, but are stymied and enraged that they can’t!   This particular mob of internet group-think digital ravagers that inhabit fiefdoms with North Korean like intentions on internet discourse and dialogue however will give it all they have to make you recant. However, we won’t, because we dont give a shit.

Important lessons must be learned early for all self-respecting bloggers.  I’ll kindly, but firmly drill them in:

  1. Don’t give a shit.
  2. . You don’t need to care if people get offended over your blog, facebook, or twitter.  Life is short and you don’t want to be 90 on your deathbed having never voiced your true thoughts.
  3. As OM puts it ,“Even if the world comes crashing down upon you, own your views and don’t allow others to intimidate you into changing your opinions.” 
  4. Stand by what you think and NEVER back down.  Don’t apologize for what you think. Let the wave of intolerant naysayers crash against your polished steel sides.  You shall not be moved.
  5. Assert your thoughts, posts, and conclusions with the utmost confidence.

Don’t cave in on your blog for any reason, because it won’t end there. The pattern you set endangers yourself.  Imagine what is and has been next.  Your private life decisions may be next if you indicate you are willing to submit. Remember Brandon Eich from Mozilla? He lost his job because of this consistent subconscious desire by himself and his employer to give in and back down. Don’t be Firefox.  (Note that The Atlantic isn’t some religious conservative bastion of backwards thought.)

Armenia out.