Everyone wants to be someone important.
Forney with Aurini had a recent stream on Candice Owens and her rise to prominence via “grifting” in Conservative circles. I will say that I don’t hold quite the antipathy toward Owens as others do and I specifically appreciate her role in helping to confirm what many of us already knew about Zoey Quinn – that she was harassing herself and making a virtue signaling false flag racket with it.
It however brings up an overall trend that’s been happening in the last few years and what I’m going to label as “Dissident Appropriation”. We saw it with the anti-feminists on YouTube, the Skeptic “community”, various members of the Red Pill communities, and in the Dissident Right in general.
What did we see?
Even in the Dissident Right as well as other associated spheres, you’ll notice there’s a crop of people – often anonymous or semi anonymous – trying to create a name for themselves. It happened with the manosphere and now it’s happening throughout the Dissident Right at large.
People coming in to make a quick buck and trying to create a product – not a bad thing necessarily – but with little actual ORIGINAL thoughts and ideas. They just rehashed what had been circling in the various spheres from the abstract and intellectual writings of reactionaries to the Red Pill shock jock larger-than-life style bloggers.
It’s not just tradthots like Laura Loomer or anti-feminists like Shoe0nhead who are parroting Dissident ideas to a thirsty male audience, but “entrepreneurs” and PUA types who throw out a few pieces of common knowledge with a polished looking website in hopes of getting money from people who already are likely down on their luck.
Want to charge people for a boot camp? How about “Dating” advice? There’s always self-improvement that involves making tons of money by writing edgy blog content because clearly, that is an actual feasible thing. You don’t really need an actual job, nor the skills and experience that comes with having one for your future. Just buy their stuff and girls and lots of success will come your way.
That valuable experience, contacts, friends and network created by working various jobs – no matter how menial apparently doesn’t matter and isn’t needed. All you need is a blog and a phone. Now some of you have been told all about this a few years back, but there’s a new wave of subversive elements who want to talk the talk but not walk it.
Yea, life is hard and while we can blame feminism, SJWs, etc for it. instead of any real solutions however, here’s some self-help with some “alpha” like words and phrases thrown in to make you feel like it something much different.
Shysters, Hucksters, and Infiltrators
This feeding of false hope is horrible and despicable on a moral level – especially any that laments losing core Western values and whatever is left of that. How can you build or rebuild social trust and social capital when your own sphere is being subverted to the point of that trust being destroyed?
What the hell are we doing?
Deliberately feeding false hope and supposed “freedom” to live any way you want to susceptible broken shattered men and teenagers is shameful as is avoiding alternative theories that newbies may want to consider. But the something 50% of what’s left of the Manosphere selling supposed self-improvement don’t care. Encouraging hedonism and narcissism sells apparently as well as sex does.
It’s hard enough for freelance journalists and real entrepreneurs to make money, but somehow kids writing about their Tinder experiences with your hosting site from a beach in Thailand is going to generate enough income for them to become financially independent and able to start a family if they wish?
With what contacts and network? (Someone on the stream mentioned earlier makes the point most of these people pushing this have already established passive income streams – like owning property they rent out – which they of course don’t disclose because their writing and books is making them all the cash.)
People criticize Matt Forney all the time, but he took down most of his books because he couldn’t in good conscious sell stuff that isn’t applicable to the internet world in 2018. Who else does that? This is how you can tell how much someone cares about the people they want to engage with.
You wonder how much these other people really care about the supposed community there are “creating” content for. Do they really care if their “consulting” and advice ends up destroying your life and potential future? I’m starting to think they really don’t. Sure, don’t go to college and get a worthless degree, but move overseas and everything is suddenly going to vastly improve without a real passive income stream?
What about your future? Don’t look toward getting a wife and building a career as a wife and children will hold you back from being a lifetime bachelor sailing around the world banging 100s of foreign women – as will a stable 9-5 job. It’s no secret much of modern society is arrayed against young men, but these infiltrators and hucksters are adding more pain to their misery and disguising it as self-help.
Of course these hucksters appeal to your inner “alpha” in an attempt to persuade you that being a true Machiavellian is something that you really want. Take for example the advocates of the Dark Triad which want you to fork over 300$ for some kind of uber Volcano lair meetup so you can feel like a man by being in the presence of “supposedly” top alpha men. Iron may sharpen iron, but is there any iron here?
If you put on that mask for so long, do you become that monster eventually? It’s a significant question and you need to ask yourself if it’s worth the price – considering you might be selling yourself, soul, and future livelihood for something that may have no material, spiritual, and measurable payoff.
Unfortunately, these are elements in the “Dissident Appropriation” in which that occurs. It’s often in the form of people looking to create a niche for themselves, purely for the sake and feeling of being “counter-cultural” because there’s no Patreon dollars of real controversy to draw attention to make the shekels if you are parroting the usual mainstream views.
You end up with a Dirty Dozen of denizens and not knowing what they really think, if they are some kind of subversive elements, or if they have any loyalty to the people and spheres they are trying to influence. From what we’ve seen with recent Bloodsports and the implosion of the remaining Alt-Right, many of these people seem to be trying to fly close to the sun to attain maximum exposure and are willing to backstab and destroy anyone in their way.
So much for a stable foundation to rebuild the West or present any kind of feasible foundations to stand upon. You start to wonder if they ever really had those intentions in the first place.
Granted there will always be jealousy of those who make a name for themselves and get “recognition” and those who don’t – regardless of what community you associate with. Furthermore to be fair, what man doesn’t want to create a name for himself wherever and whatever way he can?
Well let’s examine.
The Cost of Fame
A serious question that I wonder if people ask themselves is, “Do you really want all this attention?” Do you really want to be a leader and deal with the actual vast and harsh burdens and responsibilities that come with it?
What about the cost to your family and any possible future that involves a stable financial footing? How much do you really care about those closest around you who arguably are the most important?
As we saw with the ROK Meetup insanity back in 2016, there comes a point where controversy and attention becomes a negative thing that has real cost to your family and livelihood. We point this out and these deviants who engage consistently in the dark arts of Dissent Appropriation call us cucks. Yea, it’s real cuckish to want to build a stable future for your family and friends.
Internet fame might be fun, but it’s also a curse and if have a family or hope to have one, it becomes quite a bit harder when you are trying to build any kind of family and legacy in order to become any kind of “leader.” Again there comes a point when you end up with too much recognition from all the wrong people and it ends up greatly hindering yourself.
This isn’t 2005. Anyone and everyone is a google search away from a damning internet post or ill worded rant torpedoing their career or imploding their network of contacts built over 20 years. Yea sure, maybe they should have chosen better “friends” and contacts, but that takes a huge amount of time to do. It doesn’t happen overnight. (Neither do the alternative platforms those in the Dissident Right are trying to build.)
Often some of these “leaders” remind me of feminists who want all of the perks but none of the responsibilities that come with leadership. It ends up boiling down to accepting praise for what goes right and gets attention and blaming others for what goes wrong and blows up in your face.
That’s not leadership.
Leaders are front and center. They don’t just write the walk from their anonymous blogs. They live that walk everyday and show people how it’s done. When things go to hell, they clean it up and don’t deflect the blame. The buck stops with them and their lives are the example.
This isn’t a game or a scene that you can simply stop attending. Lives, careers, and people’s ability to not live paycheck to paycheck are at stake here. Once people have put their names forward, they are susceptible to all the deviants and viciousness of SJW types gunning for their jobs and looking to make hell on earth for the lives of their family members.
If you are going to be some sort of leader, you better be prepared to help your “followers” deal with the shitstorms that come their way due to your influence and guidance. Being a real leader of any kind – assuming any level of morality — means that you don’t just take their money and run – you face the music with/for them with that said money.
Briefly Remembering Charlottesville
Consider what happened with Charlottesville and the supposed leadership of the Alt-Right there. When everything went to hell, there was no around to accept any responsibility let alone help the people who were likely going to lose their jobs from the mere association. (There had been warnings about the movement and the leaders.)
Jason Kessler ran away and is hiding, Spencer disappeared, and Cantwell acted like a tough guy on TV to Vice, while later crying on YouTube once he realized he was in real trouble. Totally white ubermench alpha right there. Instead of being self-proclaimed smart tacticians and strategists, they all ended up being indirectly responsible for that lady’s death – regardless of what you think of her and specifically in the eyes of the American public.
These “leaders” couldn’t even police their own – regardless of false flags or not – and now ensured that the Alt-Right label was left to actual Nazis and foaming white supremacist types on the Daily Stormer. It’s hard to tell people you aren’t Nazis when people with the damn flags show up or end up committing murders, because actual Nazis weren’t denounced hard or extensively enough. (Seriously, who the hell let’s Nazis show up to their events?)
Furthermore, consider the tactical failure in having a “rally” there in a VERY hostile city with a government and police force that basically did everything to ensure a riot and violence would ensue. Of course they weren’t going to play fair and restrain AntiFa from attempting to kill whoever there they deemed a fascist.
Why the hell didn’t they plan a rally somewhere that WAS NOT in a liberal stronghold. Sure, you might want to protect a statue, but was it worth the shattered lives of the guys holding tiki torches who can’t find regular employment now? “Blood and soil” doesn’t matter that much if you can’t afford to live. (How the awful optics of this evaded the minds of Alt-Right leadership, I have no idea.)
All this over a damn statue.
Now they’ve found that out the hard way. While AntiFa and all the rest of their slack jawed deviant supporters will rejoice, it just adds to the list of broken young men who now have even a harder life then before and will ironically make them even radicalized in the process.
What kind of leader allows that to happen to their “followers” if they actually care about them instead of just the “cause”? This is a very serious issue. Very recently one of these young men – Andrew Dobson – who was there and not even a WN or even a follower of Spencer or these “other leaders” was doxxed and was harassed so much that he recently committed suicide.
Guilt by association. He made have been on the “right”, but the penalty for being near this rally has literally been fatal. Sure some henious assholes on leftist sites will rejoice, but who will comfort his family and friends? It’s not just maddening, but it’s depressingly sad.
Again, this dude essentially lost his life over a damn statue.
One major criticism I heard of Richard Spencer – who isnt really the “Hitler” people make him out to be – and people like him is that they enjoyed the attention and the recognition of being “organizers”, but had little to offer both in terms of responsibility and aid when the Charlottesville debacle occurred.
Most of us already knew that most of the people – specifically leaders – in the Alt-Right were ready to betray and step on one another to be famous in the eyes of the Media. (Not sure that’s a prize really.) But what did we really expect with an ideology that shuns any real moral foundations to be replaced with some weird nihilist post modern “might makes right” crap?
N.T. Carlsbad from Therimdor Mag made this damning observation about what was left of the Alt-Right:
“After the Enoch doxxing, after Charlottesville and now after the implosion of TWP, there simply is no fooling anyone. The illusion has been shattered. “Alt-right” is just a pompous synonym for white nationalist, and nothing more. The psychotic mania among the press that for some time drove them nuts about how the next-door neighbor kid drawing cartoon frogs might secretly be a member of an “alt-right” fifth column waiting for the right moment to ethnically cleanse minorities, has since dissipated and mellowed as the specificity of the alt-right has been made clear.
Andrew Anglin and weev no longer LARP as neo-Nazis, but as American nationalist MAGAmen, in response to this shift. With no enigma left to it (and it never got to the point of developing any real organizational capacity), the alt-right is now a tabloid media cash cow for the ADL and the SPLC to scare their donors into handing over those sweet shekels.”
I couldn’t have put it any better. Stop following people who don’t care about you or anyone else. Mike Enoch literally destroyed his life even further divorcing his Jewish wife – so he could prove his Jew blaming rants were legit. (Disclosure to you goyim, I found out I’m 3% European Jewish apparently.)
Now he’s alone and removed from a woman who seems to have loved him for some internet trolls and LARPers who don’t give a shit. That’s not a life that you want emulate. Unless the leaders of a movement are willing to sacrifice themselves for you – like true leaders do – then you are wasting your time and your future.
These same people are still around and lurking in the Dissident Right looking for new targets and people to deceive and profit from – either for the sake of creating a name and recognition for themselves or for a sin as old as time – greed and the money that comes from it.
We need to ask ourselves, how much damage are we doing to people vs helping them? What kind of identity are we forming? Yes, we know feminism and the excess of Modernism had wreaked havoc on the foundations of society and made it a hell of time to be a young straight male looking to succeed in life.
However are we just adding false hope to that miserly brew that they’ve already been thrust into? We need to make sure people know the “risks”, while giving them as much advice, info, and knowledge from our mistakes and successes as we can. If you become like Machiavelli, you might end up in a prison of your own – or someone else’s making just like him.
We are talking about fire and it burns – maybe for life if you end up with a mindset and worldview based on treachery, deceit, and a will to power with no moral restrictions. Your soul can and is at stake when you expose it to this kind of lifestyle.
Perhaps at the core of this, one alternate explanation is the most depressing one; that some of the people being attracted to the Dissident Right by shysters aren’t being “taken in.” They are willing participants who want to lie to themselves instead of put in the hard and long time to build something stable for their futures.
I suppose they will have to learn the hard way.